NGD and X brace question

Cardinal2B
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NGD and X brace question Jul 17, 2020 16:08:38 GMT -5

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Post by Cardinal2B on Jul 17, 2020 16:08:38 GMT -5

I just got my new-to-me late 2004 Seagull S6 Dreadnaught. Plays nicely, looks good too.
But I noticed an oddity (to me anyway) looking at the X brace - it seems to have an extra piece maybe 1.5 inches long, on one of the long braces, right over the X.
Perhaps this is what Seagull does instead of the piece of cloth I would expect in a Martin?
Otherwise what might this be?

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NGD and X brace question Jul 17, 2020 16:24:25 GMT -5

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Post by Derick on Jul 17, 2020 16:24:25 GMT -5

Cardinal2B ,

First congratulations on your new guitar, and what a beauty it is.

I can't answer your question, but I have just looked in the sound hole of my Art and Lutherie Parlour guitar (made by Godin guitars), and it's exactly as you described your guitar.

Last Edit: Jul 17, 2020 16:26:50 GMT -5 by Derick

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TonyKgull Global Moderator Posts: 6,425 Location: Ontario, Canada	NGD and X brace question Jul 17, 2020 23:53:57 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by TonyKgull on Jul 17, 2020 23:53:57 GMT -5 Hmmm. Weird. Maybe the "x" in their X-bracing stands for extra?
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NGD and X brace question Jul 19, 2020 8:16:31 GMT -5

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Post by RobertW on Jul 19, 2020 8:16:31 GMT -5

The small cleat at the X does not exist on my '98 S6. It is on my 2015 Coastline 12 and my 2012 Amber Trails.

Looking at my other guitars, no others have anything except my Sigma and my Martin both have cloth disc covering the X.

Last Edit: Jul 19, 2020 8:18:44 GMT -5 by RobertW

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NGD and X brace question Jul 19, 2020 11:07:21 GMT -5 godinfan likes this

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Post by Derick on Jul 19, 2020 11:07:21 GMT -5

Maybe it's to make sure you get good value for money, and throw in a bit of extra wood for free.

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NGD and X brace question Jul 19, 2020 21:12:25 GMT -5 Derick likes this

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Post by Cardinal2B on Jul 19, 2020 21:12:25 GMT -5

The good value theory is one possibility. Another is that this small “x-cleat” was added to Seagulls sometime between 1998 (when Robert W’s was made without it) and Dec 2004 (when mine was made with it).
I like the second theory better.
So, whaddya say Seagull owners? Let’s see can we pin this down. If you have a Seagull made from 1998 to 2004, maybe you could take a look, and report the date of manufacture and whether you have or do not have the small “x-cleat” - crowdsourced detective work.

Last Edit: Jul 21, 2020 14:16:08 GMT -5 by Cardinal2B

seagullplayer Supreme Member Posts: 1,022 Location: Southern Indiana Playing guitar since: Long enough I should be better at it...	NGD and X brace question Jul 20, 2020 9:26:47 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by seagullplayer on Jul 20, 2020 9:26:47 GMT -5 I never look inside unless I loose a pic in there. But I will try and get a picture of my 2003 M6 next time.
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CTGull Global Moderator MOD/ADMIN Posts: 4,634 Location: Connecticut Playing guitar since: Early 80's & 2011	NGD and X brace question Jul 21, 2020 7:39:52 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by CTGull on Jul 21, 2020 7:39:52 GMT -5 I have seen that cleat inside Seagull guitars but I have no idea when I'll have to look inside of them. That would require remembering to do it!! I have too many things to remember to do and too little time to do the stuff!
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NGD and X brace question Jul 21, 2020 11:02:22 GMT -5 CTGull likes this

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Post by Derick on Jul 21, 2020 11:02:22 GMT -5

CTGull ,

After reading you post, I was playing my Seagull Coastline folk only a few minutes ago, so had a peep in the sound hole, and low and behold, their was that little bit of extra wood on the x bracing, the guitar was bought about two years ago, it was new, but may have been old stock as I thought they were discontinued.

No I just checked when I bought the guitar, exactly one year ago.

Last Edit: Jul 21, 2020 11:05:41 GMT -5 by Derick

Faith Mercury, Parlour Guitar.
Tanglewood TW40 Sundance Historic, 12 freter. Solid Spruce top, Mahogany back and sides.
Takamine GY93E-Nat, Parlour Guitar, solid Spruce top.
Epiphone ES339, semi acoustic Electric guitar,
Fender Mex Stratocaster, White with Maple neck.
PRS se Custom, 24 fret, Mahogany back with Maple cap.
Tanglewood TW 45 Re Sundance Reserve, All solid wood, Cedar Top,Mahogany back and sides.

TonyKgull Global Moderator Posts: 6,425 Location: Ontario, Canada	NGD and X brace question Jul 21, 2020 19:08:57 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by TonyKgull on Jul 21, 2020 19:08:57 GMT -5 Well, Godin acoustics have almost always had a rep for being over built. So, I'm not surprised. It's not necessarily a bad thing.
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NGD and X brace question Aug 4, 2020 9:33:43 GMT -5

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Post by Cardinal2B on Aug 4, 2020 9:33:43 GMT -5

So I bought a Folk model from late 2001 (fiscal year 02, +15 weeks from Aug 1, 2001). It has the mini-X-cleat too. So, now we know the mini-X-cleat appeared between 1998 and 2001. If you have a Seagull from that four year period, helpful to know if it does, or does not have the mini-X-cleat?

Last Edit: Aug 4, 2020 9:34:08 GMT -5 by Cardinal2B

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NGD and X brace question Aug 4, 2020 11:00:11 GMT -5

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Post by Derick on Aug 4, 2020 11:00:11 GMT -5

Cardinal2B,

Congratulations on the new guitar.
OK, so what do you think about the new guitar, is it a keeper.

Faith Mercury, Parlour Guitar.
Tanglewood TW40 Sundance Historic, 12 freter. Solid Spruce top, Mahogany back and sides.
Takamine GY93E-Nat, Parlour Guitar, solid Spruce top.
Epiphone ES339, semi acoustic Electric guitar,
Fender Mex Stratocaster, White with Maple neck.
PRS se Custom, 24 fret, Mahogany back with Maple cap.
Tanglewood TW 45 Re Sundance Reserve, All solid wood, Cedar Top,Mahogany back and sides.

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