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Norman B20 MJ Apr 1, 2017 13:33:17 GMT -5

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Apr 1, 2017 12:31:39 GMT -5 CTGull said:

Mar 31, 2017 18:58:38 GMT -5 RobertW said:

CTGull , what you think of that seam...

There's normally a seam at the end block. That one ain't pretty.

1 side higher than other

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Martin GPCPA5K Stika Spruce/Koa HDL/Birch Stratabond/Morado Fretboard (2015)
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CTGull Global Moderator MOD/ADMIN Posts: 4,634 Location: Connecticut Playing guitar since: Early 80's & 2011	Norman B20 MJ Apr 1, 2017 13:42:51 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by CTGull on Apr 1, 2017 13:42:51 GMT -5 It's PLYWOOD!!! What do you want??
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Norman B20 MJ Apr 1, 2017 15:20:01 GMT -5 RobertW and Stud Muffin like this

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Apr 1, 2017 13:42:51 GMT -5 CTGull said:

It's PLYWOOD!!! What do you want?

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3 layer hardwood like all Godin acoustics
Yamaha uses plywood

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Martin GPCPA5K Stika Spruce/Koa HDL/Birch Stratabond/Morado Fretboard (2015)
Gretsch Mahogany Boxcar Round-Neck Resonator (2015)
Alvarez ABT60 Baritone Spruce/Mahogany (2016)
Sigma 000M-15 Mahogany, Rosewood Fretboard (2018)

ladyssolo Supreme Member Posts: 1,267	Norman B20 MJ Apr 1, 2017 17:51:36 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ladyssolo on Apr 1, 2017 17:51:36 GMT -5 If all else was perfect that seam wouldn't bother me, but all other things apparently aren't perfect, so.....

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Norman B20 MJ Apr 1, 2017 18:47:32 GMT -5

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Apr 1, 2017 17:51:36 GMT -5 ladyssolo said:

If all else was perfect that seam wouldn't bother me, but all other things apparently aren't perfect, so.....

I left a note for the seller with the store

After doing some due diligence on guitar, I have decided not to take it.
Your seller may be interested in the reasons.

- age: guitar was built the 2ed last week of 2005
- Need for setup adds ~$50 to price
- amateur refinish attempt on back reduces resale value considerably
- lack of proper TRIC or hardshell case

The current price of this model new is $399 CAD, at Cosmo Music and Acclaim Music. 12 years ago it was much less.

Because of age, additional setup costs required, without even considering the back finish, price should be no more than $150.

Hope he finds this info useful.

AS you might notice, I am not making an offer, but if he caves.. I MAY decide to take it as a comfy banger..

I have never bought a used guitar before so......

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Martin GPCPA5K Stika Spruce/Koa HDL/Birch Stratabond/Morado Fretboard (2015)
Gretsch Mahogany Boxcar Round-Neck Resonator (2015)
Alvarez ABT60 Baritone Spruce/Mahogany (2016)
Sigma 000M-15 Mahogany, Rosewood Fretboard (2018)

CTGull Global Moderator MOD/ADMIN Posts: 4,634 Location: Connecticut Playing guitar since: Early 80's & 2011	Norman B20 MJ Apr 1, 2017 19:57:21 GMT -5 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by CTGull on Apr 1, 2017 19:57:21 GMT -5 I'll probably never buy a new guitar. Let someone else take the hit.
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Norman B20 MJ Apr 1, 2017 21:10:05 GMT -5

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Apr 1, 2017 15:20:01 GMT -5 RobertW said:

Apr 1, 2017 13:42:51 GMT -5 CTGull said:

It's PLYWOOD!!! What do you want?

?

3 layer hardwood like all Godin acoustics
Yamaha uses plywood

It's still plywood. It may be 3 plies of hardwood, but it's still 3 plies of hardwood which still makes it plywood. Just a nicer quality plywood.

Most definitions I could find say plywood is made of layers of real wood. Anything involving press wood or particle board etc. is just a very, very cheap "type" of plywood.

I have to give this one to CTGull,.

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Norman B20 MJ Apr 1, 2017 23:14:45 GMT -5 Greg Ballantyne likes this

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While I agree that plywood is 2 or more layers of wood, I would not consider pressed wood or particle board to be plywood. Most plywood guitars use three layers.

I've heard some very nice plywood guitars, both Godin and Yamaha. Most players refer to "laminated" rather than "plywood" backs and sides, although they are really the same thing.

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Norman B20 MJ Apr 2, 2017 3:26:00 GMT -5

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RobertW,
With the age and problems you have listed with the Norman Guitar, plus knowing the guitars that you now have, I'm sure you have made the right decision.
Don't see to many Norman Guitars around here, but the few, and only second hand ones, i have seen and played, were not very inspiring.

Faith Mercury, Parlour Guitar.
Tanglewood TW40 Sundance Historic, 12 freter. Solid Spruce top, Mahogany back and sides.
Takamine GY93E-Nat, Parlour Guitar, solid Spruce top.
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Fender Mex Stratocaster, White with Maple neck.
PRS se Custom, 24 fret, Mahogany back with Maple cap.
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Norman B20 MJ Apr 2, 2017 7:24:22 GMT -5 CTGull likes this

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Apr 1, 2017 21:10:05 GMT -5 TonyKgull said:

Apr 1, 2017 15:20:01 GMT -5 RobertW said:

3 layer hardwood like all Godin acoustics
Yamaha uses plywood

It's still plywood. It may be 3 plies of hardwood, but it's still 3 plies of hardwood which still makes it plywood. Just a nicer quality plywood.

Most definitions I could find say plywood is made of layers of real wood. Anything involving press wood or particle board etc. is just a very, very cheap "type" of plywood.

I have to give this one to CTGull ,.

for me plywood as used in guitars has a layer of poplar in center and thin veneers on the outside

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Seagull S6 Cedar/Cherry (1998)
Seagull Amber Trail CW Mini-Jumbo Spruce/Maple Long scale (2012)
Seagull Coastline Cedar 12 Cedar/Cherry (2015)
Ibanez Artwood Parlour 2 AVN3-NT Spruce/Mahogany (2015)
Martin GPCPA5K Stika Spruce/Koa HDL/Birch Stratabond/Morado Fretboard (2015)
Gretsch Mahogany Boxcar Round-Neck Resonator (2015)
Alvarez ABT60 Baritone Spruce/Mahogany (2016)
Sigma 000M-15 Mahogany, Rosewood Fretboard (2018)

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Norman B20 MJ Apr 2, 2017 10:12:32 GMT -5 CTGull likes this

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Apr 2, 2017 7:24:22 GMT -5 RobertW said:

Apr 1, 2017 21:10:05 GMT -5 TonyKgull said:

It's still plywood. It may be 3 plies of hardwood, but it's still 3 plies of hardwood which still makes it plywood. Just a nicer quality plywood.

Most definitions I could find say plywood is made of layers of real wood. Anything involving press wood or particle board etc. is just a very, very cheap "type" of plywood.

I have to give this one to CTGull ,.

for me plywood as used in guitars has a layer of poplar in center and thin veneers on the outside

Ya, ..... many companies use that one. ....... wait for it..............
That's a very poplar type of plywood.

*see what I did there?*

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"Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will
give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I
am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your
souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
- Jesus, from Matthew 11:28-30

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Apr 2, 2017 7:24:22 GMT -5 RobertW said:

Apr 1, 2017 21:10:05 GMT -5 TonyKgull said:

It's still plywood. It may be 3 plies of hardwood, but it's still 3 plies of hardwood which still makes it plywood. Just a nicer quality plywood.

Most definitions I could find say plywood is made of layers of real wood. Anything involving press wood or particle board etc. is just a very, very cheap "type" of plywood.

I have to give this one to CTGull ,.

for me plywood as used in guitars has a layer of poplar in center and thin veneers on the outside

I agree. Most are made that way, including modern Yamaha's. Seagulls seems to be a rarity since they dont.

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