Had a Derick moment today

Garland
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Had a Derick moment today Mar 21, 2022 16:57:09 GMT -5

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Post by Garland on Mar 21, 2022 16:57:09 GMT -5

was changin strings on the AIM.... got frustrated with the pins and decided to use the ebony pins that came with the Martin 00015M... they don't go as deep as the originals, but, they fit better where they do go. Still had to file the holes some more

but... anyway, got to the high E string, started tightening it and oops the pin popped out

, I got a flashlight and started lookin for it on the floor... couldn't find it... I thought, oh well, Davey will find it

.... sat back down to finish the job, and lo and behold, there on the table is the pin

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Had a Derick moment today Mar 21, 2022 17:54:26 GMT -5 Garland likes this

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Post by Derick on Mar 21, 2022 17:54:26 GMT -5

Garland,

Yes, they are little buggers to find, especially when they ping out and bounce of the walls around the room, or if you just drop them on the carpet.

Faith Mercury, Parlour Guitar.
Tanglewood TW40 Sundance Historic, 12 freter. Solid Spruce top, Mahogany back and sides.
Takamine GY93E-Nat, Parlour Guitar, solid Spruce top.
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Fender Mex Stratocaster, White with Maple neck.
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Had a Derick moment today Mar 21, 2022 17:56:42 GMT -5

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Post by Derick on Mar 21, 2022 17:56:42 GMT -5

Garland,

Are you finding the guitar easier to fret now, and have learnt it who's the boss.

Faith Mercury, Parlour Guitar.
Tanglewood TW40 Sundance Historic, 12 freter. Solid Spruce top, Mahogany back and sides.
Takamine GY93E-Nat, Parlour Guitar, solid Spruce top.
Epiphone ES339, semi acoustic Electric guitar,
Fender Mex Stratocaster, White with Maple neck.
PRS se Custom, 24 fret, Mahogany back with Maple cap.
Tanglewood TW 45 Re Sundance Reserve, All solid wood, Cedar Top,Mahogany back and sides.

Garland
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Had a Derick moment today Mar 22, 2022 6:22:16 GMT -5 Derick likes this

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Post by Garland on Mar 22, 2022 6:22:16 GMT -5

Mar 21, 2022 17:56:42 GMT -5 Derick said:

Garland ,

Are you finding the guitar easier to fret now, and have learnt it who's the boss.

Yeah, kinda, pretty much. I'd like the action to be a wee-bit lower still, especially on the High E string. It is more difficult than I'm accustomed to, and me pinkie fusses at me, so, I'll discuss that when I take it to the pro though and have a new/different saddle installed.

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Guild D140 Natural
Epiphone Dove Pro (limited edition)Alpine White
Luna Artwood Vintage Distressed Folk Body
Washburn HG75SEG-0 (gave to my youngest son)
Gretsch 5420T in Aspen Green
Orangewood Ava w/LR Baggs Lyric
Martin 00015M w/LR Baggs Lyric
Lag T118ASCE-BLK
Guild D240E
A-M-I J45 clone
Squier Affinity Telecaster in White

Garland
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Had a Derick moment today Mar 22, 2022 6:45:54 GMT -5 Derick likes this

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Post by Garland on Mar 22, 2022 6:45:54 GMT -5

Derick , think I figured out the pin problem, or a big part of it anyway.
I want to put a set of custom, persimmon wood, pins in it, for the cosmetic effect... lookin at pin sizes, the smallest available is .205 in just under the skirt. The one I measured is .196... so, they sink too deep into the hole, which is in addition to the groove being too narrow for the string.... I thought I wanted multi-colored pins, which I would like to have, but, they are fossilized bone which is really expensive, to/for me.

What I decided to do is, use brown liquid shoe polish on the persimmon wood...

check out all the pins

custominlay.com/shop

Last Edit: Mar 22, 2022 6:48:18 GMT -5 by Garland

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Guild D140 Natural
Epiphone Dove Pro (limited edition)Alpine White
Luna Artwood Vintage Distressed Folk Body
Washburn HG75SEG-0 (gave to my youngest son)
Gretsch 5420T in Aspen Green
Orangewood Ava w/LR Baggs Lyric
Martin 00015M w/LR Baggs Lyric
Lag T118ASCE-BLK
Guild D240E
A-M-I J45 clone
Squier Affinity Telecaster in White

Garland The Mostest Bestest Member Posts: 4,661 AKA: Gdjjr Thistime Location: Texas! Playing guitar since: off and on since 1960, a lot more off than on	Had a Derick moment today Mar 22, 2022 6:51:03 GMT -5 Derick likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Garland on Mar 22, 2022 6:51:03 GMT -5 Derick, here is some of their work custominlay.com/
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Had a Derick moment today Mar 23, 2022 8:17:38 GMT -5 Derick and Garland like this

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Post by seagullplayer on Mar 23, 2022 8:17:38 GMT -5

My J-45 came with Tusq saddle, nut and pins.

I installed China cow bone compensated saddle and pins. It gave it a little more lower end.

My pins have abalone inlay. I got a new nut with the saddle, but never put installed it. It would take a bit more work. The saddle was a drop in, no changes needed.

A feller would think pin changes would be easy, but I have found more trouble getting them to fit right than I expected. My J-45 was common enough it was not too bad.

But the Epiphones are a different story. I think it took me three sets to find something to fit the Hummingbird. And they are still not bone, but not plastic now either.

Garland, I saw your review video on your new guitar. You said you had real trouble getting one of your pins out. I will say that is a pretty common experience with the guitars I have owned. I have had to use my wire cutters like pliers to hold the head of the pin then leverage off the bridge to pry it out.

I have at times resorted to a 1 by stick of wood laid across the face of the guitar to use as a fulcrum for the pliers.

I always worked those over a bit with sandpaper and I always put my pins back in the hole they came out. As a whole, I think I had more trouble with plastic pins than with anything else. I have no issue with the bone in my J-45's now.

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Garland
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Had a Derick moment today Mar 24, 2022 6:58:07 GMT -5 Derick and seagullplayer like this

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Post by Garland on Mar 24, 2022 6:58:07 GMT -5

Mar 23, 2022 8:17:38 GMT -5 seagullplayer said:

My J-45 came with Tusq saddle, nut and pins.

I installed China cow bone compensated saddle and pins. It gave it a little more lower end.

My pins have abalone inlay. I got a new nut with the saddle, but never put installed it. It would take a bit more work. The saddle was a drop in, no changes needed.

A feller would think pin changes would be easy, but I have found more trouble getting them to fit right than I expected. My J-45 was common enough it was not too bad.

But the Epiphones are a different story. I think it took me three sets to find something to fit the Hummingbird. And they are still not bone, but not plastic now either.

Garland , I saw your review video on your new guitar. You said you had real trouble getting one of your pins out. I will say that is a pretty common experience with the guitars I have owned. I have had to use my wire cutters like pliers to hold the head of the pin then leverage off the bridge to pry it out.

I have at times resorted to a 1 by stick of wood laid across the face of the guitar to use as a fulcrum for the pliers.

I always worked those over a bit with sandpaper and I always put my pins back in the hole they came out. As a whole, I think I had more trouble with plastic pins than with anything else. I have no issue with the bone in my J-45's now.

The Ibanez ALT30 I had was the worst one I've had. They were counter sunk so deep it was nearly impossible to get anything under the head. I had to use a pocket knife. I had the guitar tech at guitar center re-do the bridge, as in plug the holes and re-drill them so the head was accessible.

I put bone pins in me Epiphone and didn't have trouble gettin the old plastic ones out.

On this one, the J45, I had to hammer the pin out. I could get the tool under the head but it wouldn't come out.

You and Derick, have a lot more experience than I do at his than I do. But, if I were in charge of guitar pins, in the world, that would be a crime punishable under law

.

There is no reason for it other than a typical factory workers attitude; it's close enough for gov't work.

I'm sure there are many excuses, but, I don't abide excuses and given that I now have a platform, you tube, to make publicly known such shoddy workmanship, I do and will. It's the least I can do to further their cause...lazy. Period.

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Luna Artwood Vintage Distressed Folk Body
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Gretsch 5420T in Aspen Green
Orangewood Ava w/LR Baggs Lyric
Martin 00015M w/LR Baggs Lyric
Lag T118ASCE-BLK
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Had a Derick moment today Mar 24, 2022 7:08:51 GMT -5 Garland likes this

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Post by Derick on Mar 24, 2022 7:08:51 GMT -5

Garland,

I think it may be related to price, no excuse really, but a few pence a few ten thousand times.
I wouldn't try it but in reality you don't actually need any string saddle pins.

Faith Mercury, Parlour Guitar.
Tanglewood TW40 Sundance Historic, 12 freter. Solid Spruce top, Mahogany back and sides.
Takamine GY93E-Nat, Parlour Guitar, solid Spruce top.
Epiphone ES339, semi acoustic Electric guitar,
Fender Mex Stratocaster, White with Maple neck.
PRS se Custom, 24 fret, Mahogany back with Maple cap.
Tanglewood TW 45 Re Sundance Reserve, All solid wood, Cedar Top,Mahogany back and sides.

Garland
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Had a Derick moment today Mar 24, 2022 7:25:09 GMT -5 Derick likes this

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Post by Garland on Mar 24, 2022 7:25:09 GMT -5

Derick, I'm sure that's the excuse, but, the reason is when that is the excuse; job justification for bean counters...
Not being argumentative, necessarily...

I'm paying $30.00 USD for the persimmon pins, with green burl wood inlays, for 6 pins that are made individually. I'd wager, that is 100 - 130%, minimum, mark up for a small manufacturer. A $30.00 increase in price (in mass production environment)is acceptable, IMO and I can't be convinced otherwise... been there done that me self.

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Epiphone Dove Pro (limited edition)Alpine White
Luna Artwood Vintage Distressed Folk Body
Washburn HG75SEG-0 (gave to my youngest son)
Gretsch 5420T in Aspen Green
Orangewood Ava w/LR Baggs Lyric
Martin 00015M w/LR Baggs Lyric
Lag T118ASCE-BLK
Guild D240E
A-M-I J45 clone
Squier Affinity Telecaster in White

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