Does FS mean factory second

eagleeye1200
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Does FS mean factory second Jul 3, 2020 10:08:47 GMT -5 via mobile

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Post by eagleeye1200 on Jul 3, 2020 10:08:47 GMT -5

Going today to check out an M6 gloss, spruce. Thanks to the education and resources provided by CT Full and Sleigh, I can tell this is a solid top, lam sides and back built on 10/5/04.

What I can't decipher is an F stamped on the headstock after the 8 digit serial number. The F is slightly out of alignment with the 8 digits. There is also what looks to be FS ink stamped on the label, upside down and just above the large S in Seagull.

I am guessing this a Factory Second (FS)?

Anyone have any info/experience on this?

Thanks,eagleeye

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Does FS mean factory second Jul 3, 2020 14:43:30 GMT -5

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Post by TonyKgull on Jul 3, 2020 14:43:30 GMT -5

eagleeye1200 , As far as I know, yes, for Seagull, "FS" means factory second.

Don't let that bother you though. I myself and others here have had factory seconds from Seagull and it's pretty unanimous that either:

A) not a flaw could be found so nothing to worry about. It was just not perfect to Godin's QC standards.

=or=

B) Same deal, but the defect is so small it is negligible and irrelevant to the quality, look and sound of the guitar.

CTGull , can verify and correct if necessary.

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Does FS mean factory second Jul 5, 2020 10:31:38 GMT -5 via mobile

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Post by eagleeye1200 on Jul 5, 2020 10:31:38 GMT -5

Thanks TonyKgull. The M6 looked, felt, and sounded great, so brought it home with me. I had also reached out to the good folks at Seagull who advised it is a factory second, and their factory seconds have no structural flaws, only cosmetic as you said.
It has a few minor dings, which is not surprising given its age. My guess is it is a second because there is a small lighter colored striation across the grain on the top. Took some looking to find it, and it appears to be in the woodgrain itself rather than the finish. Bottom line I am very pleased with this instrument. Thanks for your response.

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Does FS mean factory second Jul 5, 2020 12:53:45 GMT -5

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Post by RobertW on Jul 5, 2020 12:53:45 GMT -5

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Does FS mean factory second Jul 5, 2020 15:00:26 GMT -5

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Post by TonyKgull on Jul 5, 2020 15:00:26 GMT -5

Jul 5, 2020 10:31:38 GMT -5 eagleeye1200 said:

Thanks TonyKgull. The M6 looked, felt, and sounded great, so brought it home with me. I had also reached out to the good folks at Seagull who advised it is a factory second, and their factory seconds have no structural flaws, only cosmetic as you said.
It has a few minor dings, which is not surprising given its age. My guess is it is a second because there is a small lighter colored striation across the grain on the top. Took some looking to find it, and it appears to be in the woodgrain itself rather than the finish. Bottom line I am very pleased with this instrument. Thanks for your response.

No problem!

To me, cosmetic "flaws" are not flaws at all; I consider them birth marks or character marks that you get free of charge!

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give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I
am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your
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- Jesus, from Matthew 11:28-30

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Does FS mean factory second Jul 5, 2020 15:29:09 GMT -5

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Post by Derick on Jul 5, 2020 15:29:09 GMT -5

eagleeye1200,

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