Martin 00017, or, Orangewood Ava

Thought the Martin 000 17 and 15 series were basically the same size yet I have no idea.

Since the Orangewood offers the body size and you like your 000-15 compare them. The Martin player has a much more slight body maybe why the Martin looks bigger.

One is $1600 and the other less than Half that. The straight bridge was on many Gibson and Martin acoustics that were 000 and 00. I don't recall why they used them they are the old style maybe offer a more focused sound also less gluing area. My El-00 has one and it hasn't given me any issues. The RK does too yet I haven't had it long.

I can't tell from the videos the Martin player is using a pick and is not as good of a player as the Orangewood who is finger picking plus who knows what sound equipment each is using.

I can't say twice the price makes the Martin a better acoustic. One is US made the other Indonesia.

As far as reviews both get good ones and I would imagine with either one one could end up with a dud. Then as far as reviews who knows what is true.

Both have the same wood types. The Ava has a torrefied top they are more stable and basically sound like a well aged acoustic. Bone Martin Tusq orange , Rosewood Martin , Ebony Orange. Both have open tuners yet the Orange has Grover. The Orange has a bit more bling plus they don't force you to have the pick Guard yet include one.

That's just my opinion I know what I'd go with between the two. To be honest every time I see that Dave Doll from Martin all I see is the missing link from Mr Potato head.

Derick, the Martin is made in the US- not that that makes it any better- also the Martin is an American (actually international) music icon- it,(as well as my other one), will make cool family heirlooms-

blues90, the 00015 I have measures 15" at the lower bout- I measured all my guitars this mornin and the Yamaha was the largest with the Epiphone right there with it- well over 15"- the others (the smaller body ones) come in at somethin over 14" quite a bit less than 15"-

I suspect I'll wind up with both- I'm hesitant because I'm afraid as soon as I order the Orangewood the Martin will become available- oh well-

I'd get a Gibson equivalent, if there is even such a thing, eventually, but I just can't justify the cost-

blues90, yes- I knew/know the measurements of the Orangewood- it is 5/8" larger on the lower bout than the Martin I have, which is still in the comfort range, I hope, it's just .315 on each side- and, btw, the Martin has grover tuners as well- (well my 00015 does) - I ordered the Orangewood about an hour ago- 5 to 7 business days- we'll see what happens- gonna be like christmas where I stays- a new iPad on the way and a new guitar- holy cow! And Davey is gettin new boxes to play in-

blues90, Derick, they said I'd get a confirmation email when it shipped- I haven't gotten it yet- but it's coming from California- not only is California a different time zone, it's also a different mind zone- maybe next week some time they have to find one of those "a round to it's"

 Not sure what carrier they use. Yet Calif is not that far from Texas , certainly not as far as Wayne In and sweetwater got my last one here in 4 days. The Ibanez came from Long Island NY and it got here in 4 days.